Peter, I agree, i've never had a car that's done more than 25 mpg , and it's only the last five that have been "sporty jobs" . but MPG isn't the first thing I look for in a car anyhow , and being an old boy the insurance is a lot cheaper than most peeps, so i'm not restricted on what vehicle I have to buy . The only thing that grates is having to pay more road tax, I think it should be done on miles travelled and should be added to the fuel price ATB, Trevor (dry at last !)