Peter, The average speed things are a more sensible idea, if you remember to set the cruise control. I don't go driving fast round the country anyway though, and wouldn't mind cameras if they were purely for safety. Just renewed my car insurance, the chap said " We can save you this trouble next year by just automatically renewing your policy . " I said to him, " I didn't think of falling for that one, but that is the reason I'm phoning ", It is one of the insurance companies little scams , they send out renewal notices which are far higher than if you enter the details on their website (£70 pound saved in my case) . But the amount of people who just automatically renew is staggering, and now they want to take it one step further, just do it without telling you how much their !Removed! you for ! ATB, Trevor