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Can £160K for a used Jag ever be considered a bargain? In the case of this one just possibly Wings, French Racing Blue and Bricktop; they have been the main PH topics of discussion when talking Jaguar XFR-S. Perhaps because it uses the same engine as the XKR-S and is actually a few brake down on the German rivals, outright power hasn't always been at the forefront. Massive, and massively fast too But it's worth repeating, as it's a rather staggering stat; the XFR-S, ostensibly a luxury saloon and one that will likely depreciate to nearly affordable levels, makes as much power as an XJ220. Of course it's a (much) heavier car and of course the XJ220 makes accessing that power more of a challenge, but it still seems rather absurd. Will we see 600hp saloon cars in future, or just lighter ones? Anyway, that's a debate for another time. What's intriguing right now is the relative affordability of XJ220s, especially given the skyrocketing values of its contemporaries. What would a delivery mileage F40 cost now? There's an XJ220 with 155 miles on it for £224,950. There are Diablos for sale at more than that, leave alone EB110s, F50s and F1s. The car we've featured here is positively leggy by the standards of used XJ220s with 11,600 recorded miles and for sale at £159,850. And let's not forget the significance of the XJ220; prior to the big Jag, the only car to have hit 200mph was the F40, shorn of any excess or comfort in pursuit of 201mph. The XJ220 was hugely luxurious by comparison and stormed on to 213mph. Huge rear track houses 345-section rears But then along came the Bugatti EB110 and the McLaren F1 to take the Jaguar's terminal velocity glory. Combined with the debacle of actually selling the XJ220, it has never really found favour with supercar collectors. Furthermore despite its gargantuan size, the XJ220 remains a very pretty car (to these eyes at least) for what is fundamentally a 25 year-old design. The video is from the end of 2012 and states that decent XJ220s were starting at around £165K, the intimation being that values could only rise as the market wakes up to its importance. That doesn't seem to have happened just yet. The XJ220 certainly isn't perfect. Everyone knows the brakes are pretty lacklustre (though this car has an upgrade), that it's hard to see out of and the interior isn't exactly glamorous. But the flawed supercars are the most desirable ones, aren't they? JAGUAR XJ220 Engine: 3,498cc twin-turbo V6 Transmission: 5-speed manual, rear-wheel drive Power (hp): 550hp@7,200rpm Torque (lb ft): 475@4,500rpm MPG: Probably quite bad CO2: As above First registered: 1995 Recorded mileage: 11,600 Price new: £403,000 (1993) Yours for: £159,850

Hi James....welcome to the club ! Indeed, what a great question! My answer would be 'because I can't afford a new Jaguar' Regards Trevor

Hi Simon, what has caused it to be out? has it been kerbed? Trevor

Good Luck ! :)

Hi Soraya Would love to see what you have to offer as would I'm sure, most of the club members If you could email me on trevor@jaguarownersclub.com with a list of products and prices I'll see what we can do to publish them on here for you Regards Trevor

Hi Josh...and welcome to the club ! I'm sure Old Peter will be on here shortly and being an S-Type owner I'm sure he will have plenty of advice for you. Regards Trevor

Congratulations to Antony !

If it has made a difference to the running by changing a couple of the coil packs then you may have stumbled across the faulty ones...sods law, its going to be the last one you attack though! Good luck with the awkward bolt...been there, got the scars to prove it, lol

I think the only way forward is a quick scan of the Electronic Control Unit to look for any stored fault codes and go from there!

Hi Garry The previous post of 'car jolts' that Peter mentioned does sound very similar! However, with the complexities of today's cars I'm afraid that without a scan of the electronic control unit to look for stored faults codes or live data readings then its pretty much a guessing game. I would advise the purchase of a cheap scanner which you can get on eBay for around £20 and go from there. Let us know how you get on Garry Regards Trevor

I would suggest plugging in a code reader to see if there are any fault codes in the Electronic Control Unit. If so, perhaps a worn Throttle Potentiometer may be the cause

Is there any more to say about the Jaguar XFR-S? Well, Harris burned a lot of rubber in one in his spectacular three-way with rather more sophisticated German rivals. See the video if you were in any doubt whatsoever about what 550hp can do to two driven wheels. The one that we, by chance, had in at the same time is, just possibly, more like the XFR-S you might actually consider owning. The shocking blue paintwork and big wing are good for standing out in a grouptest and perhaps deflect a little attention from some of the Jag's cruder aspects. But if you were striding into a Jaguar dealership intent on laying down 80-grand on one chances are it'd look a bit more like this. Right? Indeed, you could walk into that Jag dealership and have one looking a lot like this for considerably less. Running the spec of this 2500 mile car through the Jaguar configurator brings an asking price more or less matching the £82,315 of our test car, meaning the £67,950 it's already plummeted to cost someone nearly six quid a mile in depreciation. Indeed, the patient could be rewarded further - if ever a car had depreciation hero writ large this is it. Meaning what might appear daft for £80K suddenly seems, relatively, a little more man maths friendly. Consider also that if you like the basic formula of a 500hp supercharged XF early Rs like the one PH once ran are now tickling £20k. Hold that thought though because we're talking here about the full fat S. Stratus Grey Metallic paints an entirely different picture for the XFR-S, likewise the no-cost smaller rear wing. The French Racing Blue that has represented the public face of the S so far is amusing ing but, frankly, not really in keeping. In grey, however, try hard becomes triple hard. If there's a more menacing front end to be seen in your mirror we've not encountered it and there's just a whiff of the villain about it. People often talk about the supposed old-man image Jaguar is trying hard to overturn; in this instance if there were a more mature gentleman at the wheel you might expect him to be more like Bricktop than a Telegraph-reading retired major on his way to the local golf club. There's a simmering level of Bricktop-like violence to the way the XFR-S drives too. It'll happily burble about at normal speeds but it doesn't take a heavy foot to overwhelm the rear tyres and elicit a little squirm from the back axle. Trac DSC will let you have a fleeting moment of heroism, 'off' demands respect, denial and a readiness to examine forward motion through the side windows. At motorway speeds the acceleration is, frankly, a bit daft. 70mph to ... beyond happens very quickly indeed, so fast in fact when you hit kickdown it's like being fired off the catapult on the front of an aircraft carrier. The turbocharged Germans need a fraction of a second to compose their fearsome boost - the Jag just goes. And that controversial ride? It's firm but four-square, the confidence inspiring lack of pitch and roll your trade for low-speed waftability. Let depreciation do its worst and then strike This 15,000-mile XFR-S is interesting for a press vehicle in that it feels more like a well-worn used car. Indeed, PH has previous with this XFR-S twice over, having ridden in it with Mike Cross and then borrowed it over Christmas. If you follow Mr Garlick on Twitter you'll have some idea of how much he liked it. There is a polish to the leather of the wheel and a lived-in feel (see above) that suggests long-term an XFR-S would be a pleasing place to spend time, assuming the lofty seating position and, in parts, plasticky trim doesn't annoy you too much. And if it's a bit rich for you now just bide your time - Jaguar XFR-S we'll look forward to renewed encounters in the classifieds as the years go by. JAGUAR XFR-S Engine: 5,000cc, V8, supercharged Transmission: 8-speed auto, rear-wheel drive Power (hp): 550@6,500rpm Torque (lb ft): 502@2,500-5,500rpm 0-62mph: 4.6sec Top speed: 186mph (limited) MPG: 24.4 (Combined) CO2: 270g/km Price: £79,995 (before options, £82,315 as tested)

Hi Steve...and welcome to the club ! and welcome back to the wonderful world of Jaguars ! Regards Trevor

Good luck with the event Simon....I hope you can encourage loads of club members to attend. Unfortunately I won't be able to attend as I will be attending the Mille Miglia in Italy that day. Regards Trevor

VIDEO clip of Mike Hawthorn racing at Le Mans http://vimeo.com/59410466

unless there is a rotary handle to turn on the passenger seat then possibly there is no height adjustment facility

Tyre delamination sounds like the obvious conclusion but you could also check the auxiliary drivebelt to see if the is perishing or missing areas of the belt as I have known that to cause a wobble in the steering by affecting the input of the power steering pump but thats more of a tight/loose feel to the steering though

Hi John....welcome to the club! and also to the wonderful world of Jaguars Regards Trevor

Hi Dave....and welcome to the club ! Look forward to reading your posts on the forum and please feel free to upload any pictures of your Jaguar Regards Trevor

What a beauty ! http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1957-Jaguar-D-type-recreation-/131099002645?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item1e861c0715

This Lister-Jaguar driver proves that a little precipitation never hurt anyone at the 2013 Goodwood Revival. Photo by LAT Photographic. If you fall into the Generation X demographic, born somewhere about 1961 to 1981, you might have never seen anything from the Lister car company. You might have never pined for a Lister. You might not know that the company returned as Lister Cars Ltd in 1986. But the company is back again--bought by Warrantywise earlier this year--with a new version of the Lister Jaguar Knobbly sports car. The Knobbly is being built with the same jigs used more than a half century ago, alongside much of same engineering team, including Dick Barton, Colin “Chippy” Crisp and Graham Hutton. The cars will be hand-built in Cambridge in England and fitted with the race-proven Jaguar D-Type 3.8-liter inline six motor featuring its wide-angle cylinder head, dry-sump lubrication and a genuine Jaguar D-Type gearbox. The inline six makes 330 hp at 6,750 rpm and 295 lb-ft of torque. The 0-60 mph sprint should take 4.3 seconds, according to Lister, and the car will hit 100 mph in 10.1 seconds. It has a dry weight of only 1,736 pounds. The new cars will adhere to the FIA/HTP Appendix K racing guidelines, which will allow it to enter historic contests. Plans are still going forward with a series of Lister sponsored race meetings to run in 2015. Road-going versions, at least in Europe and the U.K., can be bought for about $425,000, converted from British pounds; racing versions clock in around $410,000. The company has a storied racing pedigree. In the five years after its inception, the company produced only 50 original cars, but they were responsible for more than 2,000 wins and podiums. “2014 is a very special year for us, as it celebrates 60 years since Brian Lister built the first Lister car at George Lister Engineering. Today, we are still hand-building cars at George Lister Engineering in Cambridge and use many of the traditional methods that were used in 1954, as well as one or two of the original engineers,” said Lawrence Whittaker, managing director of Lister Cars. “It's fantastic to think that Lister has a 60-year history as an all-British owned car maker and that it now has a fantastic future ahead of it.” New Listers will join the company's registry, and even non-factory cars can be certified once brought in and looked over. Lister says numbers of the 2014 60th Anniversary Lister Jaguar are limited, and 50 percent are already sold out. The first cars will leave the factory in April of 2014. Email info@listercars.com for more information, or go to the Lister Cars Website.

A car owner from England is trying to trace the history of his beloved 1960s Jaguar car which has a strong Coleraine connection. Peter Spruce, who lives in Towcester, Northamptonshire, about four miles from Silverstone circuit, says the classic vehicle was originally owned by Peerage Bottlers Ltd of Coleraine. During his search for information about the car Peter came across a story about the local company on Coleraine Times online which we carried last year. Peter told us: “I am the fortunate owner of a 1963 Jaguar E-type. “I bought it from a classic car dealer in Hampshire and it is valued at £70k, which compares with the original selling price when new of about £2,200. “I am trying to piece together its history, from some very patchy paperwork. I know the first owner was Peerage Bottlers Ltd of Coleraine. “The car was registered as new to Peerage Bottlers Ltd in 1963, with the registration number 2543 KZ - this registration is still with the car. “I understand the company no longer exists so I cannot find out director names etc. But I suspect some of your readers may remember the vehicle - as such a car in 1963 must have attracted a lot of attention. “The original dealer was Malcolm Templeton of Ballymena, a notable local personality, I think - not just because of his garage business but he was also President of the Classic Vehicle Club. “The original colour was dark blue metallic with a grey interior but at some point in the late 1970s or early 1980s, it was sprayed red. “It was completely and beautifully restored (at huge cost) around 2001 and taken back to its original colour but with a black interior. “I think the car spent almost its entire life in the area of Belfast, because old MOTs and invoices show places like Ballymena, Carryduff, Aghalee, Crossgar, Hillsborough etc. “My search is not helped by the fact that I live in England and the car spent almost its entire life in Northern Ireland. “I would be grateful for any assistance you can provide either on the car, Peerage Bottlers or the original dealers. “I have some history with owners names. “I have managed in the last couple of days to track down one very helpful past-owner - going back about 20 years, although it is incomplete) but any further information would be fantastic. “I would be particularly delighted if anybody knows anything about the car before about 1985, because prior to this I have virtually nothing. “I have waited over thirty years to buy an E-Type so there is no chance of me selling it! Peerage Bottlers Ltd was situated on the site of the old shirt factory at Beresford Road. The building was originally Rogers Shirt and Collar Works and the factory operated between 1894 and 1958. It lay empty for a while after Rogers closed until the bottling plant was installed on the ground floor. Anyone who can help shed light on Peter’s car can call our news desk on 028 703 57610 or e-mail news@colerainetimes.co.uk

(Photo: Jaguar) This year, Jaguar is joining the long list of well-known car brands to advertise during the Super Bowl. Like many brands, they've chosen to bring out the big guns for their first time out. Jaguar's first piece hopes to be very good at being very bad. The spot will be titled and themed 'British Villains.' It stars Oscar-winner Ben Kingsley, Tom Hiddleston and Mark Strong. The spot -- which previewed during the NFL Divisional Playoff weekend -- was directed by The King's Speech andLes Miserables director Tom Hooper. "With 'British Villains,' Jaguar will present itself on the Super Bowl stage as a challenger to the usual luxury car suspects, with a unique cinematic expression of our modern British style," said Jeff Curry, Brand Vice President for Jaguar North America. "With the three renowned actors, Sir Ben, Tom and Mark, who have all played memorable film rogues, we have brought together the best of British film to star in a major motion picture caliber campaign that addresses the simple cultural observation that Brits often play the best villains in film." The concept will play off of that very idea: that the British always play Hollywood's best bad guys. The spot will be 60 seconds, is titled 'Rendezvous' and is meant to sell the new Jaguar F-TYPE Coupe. Jaguar will supplement the spot with ads on New York City subway cars, cable TV and print throughout January and February.

common fault with the pulley breaking up on the rubber insulation. Its cheap to purchase as a revised and modified kit but unless you have the tools and knowledge then best left to a mechanic Regards Trevor

well it is rated as a 7.5 amp fuse...so nothing wrong there. I would probably enlist the services of an auto electrician as they should be able to track the fault in no time with the correct tools.