Thank you Peter , I did hear about the water ingress and will double check the boot area , yes i will be getting out the canuba wax and filling with 94 ron The chap traded it in for a XF so must like his Jags and even serviced it week before trading it in , and weirdly enough two doors up from me has a f type and the new anniversary XF in the drive , so the close i live in is becoming Jag city Thanks again for the warm welcome and advice any further tips on the S type will be more than welcome . Regards Grant