Hi Ron, thanks for the advice, I think you will find that the nuts can be used with a steel wheel as the space saver spare is steel as V8Rumble has suggested. The handbook certainly says you can use the nuts used for the alloys with the steel space saver. Anyway thanks to all contributors, just for the record I have managed to source a spare alloy rim today, not the same 25 spoke pattern but it will do as a spare and it is in reasonable shape as well I think we can now close this topic Regards Tel